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I had read that the double clutch transmission was not a good fit to the transverse V4 engine. I take that to mean that they would have to design and build a unique version of the double clutch tech to bolt on to the CTX1300 engine.
That tells me it pretty unlikely to see this type of trani on the CTX1300.
But then what do I know about what Honda plans to do. I mean, did anyone see the CTX1300 coming?
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That tells me it pretty unlikely to see this type of trani on the CTX1300.
But then what do I know about what Honda plans to do. I mean, did anyone see the CTX1300 coming?
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I don't think we're going to see a DCT on the CTX1300 any time soon. Not on this first generation, anyway. The engine and transmission package were originally designed together with the manny granny for the ST -- it's usually an entirely different design for a DCT, and I've never seen one retrofitted to an engine that wasn't designed fir it. I could be wrong, but I've never seen it happen before.
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do you think it could one day become available in a future year model or what? Seems like a good amount of people want it
Honda would have to come up with a new engine for this bike to enable them to economically make available DCT on this bike. I don't really see that happening anytime soon. What I remember reading on a number of reviews and also I think it was mentioned on the World Honda videos that DCT would require the engine to be designed for it initially for it to work... again economically. It would just cost too much to retro-fit DCT on an existing engine in most cases.
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^^^ Completely agree with Bob. I don't want to say never, but I haven't seen it done yet. Unless the CTX takes off like the Gold Wing or CBR series, I half expect they're going to wring everything they can out of this platform (which they're already doing by 'borrowing' the ST's drivetrain), and then either kill it or replace it with something else. With very few exceptions, that's typically Honda's M.O.
UNLESS -- they actually intended to have a longitudinal V-4 with a DCT for this bike but couldn't get it designed, developed and produced in time, and borrowing the ST's drivetrain is just a temporary measure to get it out there sooner. That's always a possibility I guess, but there was still a huge development effort just to get this far. And if they really wanted a DCT in this bike, they could have taken the VFR1200's setup instead.
I'm inclined to say we'll not likely see a DCT on this bike, but who knows for sure.
UNLESS -- they actually intended to have a longitudinal V-4 with a DCT for this bike but couldn't get it designed, developed and produced in time, and borrowing the ST's drivetrain is just a temporary measure to get it out there sooner. That's always a possibility I guess, but there was still a huge development effort just to get this far. And if they really wanted a DCT in this bike, they could have taken the VFR1200's setup instead.
I'm inclined to say we'll not likely see a DCT on this bike, but who knows for sure.
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And you're talking about Yamaha, who I think repurposes parts a lot more than Honda. Part of the reason I nearly went into shock when I first learned they were dropping the ST's engine and drivetrain into the CTX, because they almost never do that.
Thanks guys for this information. As I can no longer operate a foot lever due to medical problems I guess I will not be upgrading to a CTX1300 any time soon.
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Sorry to hear that, Paul. But I'm glad to hear that you can still at least enjoy riding something even with that medical problem.
Suicide shifter anyone? Why do people give up so easily nowadays? I mean, if I couldn't use my left leg anymore, that'd be the first thing I'd think of: weld a lever to it and shift with my hand instead Giving up the dream of riding a certain bike I really like is waaaaay harder than some DIY
Giving up the dream of riding a certain bike I really like is waaaaay harder than some DIY
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Some how.. for motorcycle i prefer manual transmission.. is RAW and have to put a bit of an effort to ride it..
but incase of the cars,. DCT is the best..
but incase of the cars,. DCT is the best..
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That's half way my sentiment on the matter, except that I like the manny tranny in my cage too... for now... though that could change soon. I must confess I've never ridden an automagic or DCT-equipped bike, and to be honest I'm almost afraid to for fear that I might find I like it and be here with next to no options for it on the style of bike I like most.
Back to the cage, I can say that I do not like manually shifting automatics, be that with paddles or the gear lever. Don't like them at all. Give me a manual with a clutch, or give me a full automatic -- there's really no in between. I have a strong suspicion that that would carry over to two wheels as well.
I had a true CVT on the Burgman 650. It also has a paddle shifting simulated manual mode that would lock the ratios to the gear you selected to simulate. I say "simulate" since a CVT really has no "gears" per se but is simply a ratio between 2 pulleys that can be infinitely varied. There is also a "sport" mode that boosted the power output a bit. I tried the "manual" mode... once or twice. Never touched it again since it was too much work to fiddle with the paddles and easier to just let the CVT handle it. But then I did miss manually shifting. The B650 manual mode was just too different than normal shifting to want to use it. On every other motorcycle I prefer to manually shift.
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It may be time to convince Honda we need a DCT CTX1300 for a more affordable model. If they can fit the DCT in the Goldwing, the 1300 should be possible.
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