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Wonder where this was filmed? The Youtube posting is in French, so probably not here in the states... :) It's good to see the bike outside of a showroom finally. The CTX looks great in black. We get a shot of the instrument panel in action, and they start the bike towards the end of the video!

 

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Ah yes -- that familiar Honda V-4 spaceship whine. Gotta live it!

Thanks for posting, and welcome to the board! ;)
 

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that sound makes me happy in the pants.lol. but seriously i really am wishing those hp and torque figures look a lot better in the real world. this engine sounds far to good to be so weak
 

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not really so weak. this engine is stronger at 4500 rpm than the ST1300 and hp is likely higher at that rpm as well.
CTX1300= 78.1 lb-ft @4500 rpm
ST1300= ~70 lb-ft @4500 rpm
And I am guessing, after looking at the ST torque/hp curves, that the CTX1300 and ST are the same torque and hp at 5252 rpm (the rpm where torque and hp cross each other) with torque on the CTX just starting to fall off a bit and the torque on the ST still climbing (hp for both are still climbing at that rpm). the ST peaks at a higher rpm and climbs faster but starts off lower than the CTX. I think the CTX might (IMHO) beat the ST off the line from a dead stop, slightly, and the ST would quickly catch up and pass. This, of course, remains to be shown but the numbers seem to support these thoughts. IOW- the CTX will launch faster due to low end torque, but the ST will accelerate faster as rpm builds. Assuming that you really want to try to race each other... not really recommended cuz the CTX would loose that race unless the course was real short... like half a block or less, maybe a wide intersection.

maybe someone who buys one first can go to a track or someplace where they can get the dyno numbers for a CTX? Then we'd know for sure.
 

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not really so weak. this engine is stronger at 4500 rpm than the ST1300 and hp is likely higher at that rpm as well.
CTX1300= 78.1 lb-ft @4500 rpm
ST1300= ~70 lb-ft @4500 rpm
And I am guessing, after looking at the ST torque/hp curves, that the CTX1300 and ST are the same torque and hp at 5252 rpm (the rpm where torque and hp cross each other) with torque on the CTX just starting to fall off a bit and the torque on the ST still climbing (hp for both are still climbing at that rpm). the ST peaks at a higher rpm and climbs faster but starts off lower than the CTX. I think the CTX might (IMHO) beat the ST off the line from a dead stop, slightly, and the ST would quickly catch up and pass. This, of course, remains to be shown but the numbers seem to support these thoughts. IOW- the CTX will launch faster due to low end torque, but the ST will accelerate faster as rpm builds. Assuming that you really want to try to race each other... not really recommended cuz the CTX would loose that race unless the course was real short... like half a block or less, maybe a wide intersection.

maybe someone who buys one first can go to a track or someplace where they can get the dyno numbers for a CTX? Then we'd know for sure.

i'm getting a star bolt in about 3 months, want to get a lot more riding experience under my belt before i invest in a long term bike like the CTX. i was originally considering the ST since despite the weight, it felt a lot more stable and newbie friendly than the concours 14. (FJR's are solely for law enforcement use in my country and aren't street legal for civilians). I'm ok waiting a year or so before i pull the trigger on the CTX, I figure by then this little community would have found and proposed fixes for all those little bugs that find their way in the first gen of a new model. As you have said before in a previous post BOB even on paper the CTX seems is more than capable of extra legal fun, but my inner hooligan finds his way to the surface every now and then and likes to push the limits.
 

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i'm getting a star bolt in about 3 months, want to get a lot more riding experience under my belt before i invest in a long term bike like the CTX. i was originally considering the ST since despite the weight, it felt a lot more stable and newbie friendly than the concours 14. (FJR's are solely for law enforcement use in my country and aren't street legal for civilians). I'm ok waiting a year or so before i pull the trigger on the CTX, I figure by then this little community would have found and proposed fixes for all those little bugs that find their way in the first gen of a new model. As you have said before in a previous post BOB even on paper the CTX seems is more than capable of extra legal fun, but my inner hooligan finds his way to the surface every now and then and likes to push the limits.
Smart working your way up while you're getting your 'sea legs' under you. However, I think you'll find that the CTX1300 will be more rider-friendly than the ST. Either way, hopefully this little community grows into a bigger community shortly after this bike hots the streets and starts grabbing some real attention.
 

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I wish I could remember what my 4-cylinder Gold Wing sounded like. I wonder if it would be similar. To be honest I did NOT really like what I heard in that video. The end of it sounded like the bike was screeching--I had to turn the sound down. I'm sure it will sound better in person, at least I hope so!
 

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I wish I could remember what my 4-cylinder Gold Wing sounded like. I wonder if it would be similar. To be honest I did NOT really like what I heard in that video. The end of it sounded like the bike was screeching--I had to turn the sound down. I'm sure it will sound better in person, at least I hope so!
Just listen to any ST1300. Or even the ST1100's -- they were similar. It has a unique but pleasing whine that kind of carries just above the exhaust when it's just idling. I've never heard any other motor with that sound besides a Honda V-4. And it isn't like any other cruiser you've ever been on.
 

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I ride with a lot of ST1300s. My ST1100 does sound different. A little more of a deep throaty sound more than the ST1300. I really don't hear the sewing machine whine that is ever present on the ST1300. Or maybe I have more hearing loss than I thought. I used to work around A-7 and F16 jets for about 17 yrs, until I retired in '99.
 

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not really so weak. this engine is stronger at 4500 rpm than the ST1300 and hp is likely higher at that rpm as well.
CTX1300= 78.1 lb-ft @4500 rpm
ST1300= ~70 lb-ft @4500 rpm
And I am guessing, after looking at the ST torque/hp curves, that the CTX1300 and ST are the same torque and hp at 5252 rpm (the rpm where torque and hp cross each other) with torque on the CTX just starting to fall off a bit and the torque on the ST still climbing (hp for both are still climbing at that rpm). the ST peaks at a higher rpm and climbs faster but starts off lower than the CTX. I think the CTX might (IMHO) beat the ST off the line from a dead stop, slightly, and the ST would quickly catch up and pass. This, of course, remains to be shown but the numbers seem to support these thoughts. IOW- the CTX will launch faster due to low end torque, but the ST will accelerate faster as rpm builds. Assuming that you really want to try to race each other... not really recommended cuz the CTX would loose that race unless the course was real short... like half a block or less, maybe a wide intersection.

maybe someone who buys one first can go to a track or someplace where they can get the dyno numbers for a CTX? Then we'd know for sure.
Hi Bob,
Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought I just read in the French review (translated--take it for what that's worth) that the CTX has 85 hp. I'm not sure if that's at the wheel or if that's even a real number but it sounds rather reduced to me so I'm suspicious. Seems like a lot of sacrifice to gain 8 Lb/ft torque but maybe that's the math for such a gain. I couldn't tell you what the difference of 8 Lb/ft torque would feel like--I have no comparison. The ST is 110 hp at the wheel give or take. I feel a pretty good pull when I get on it. Of course, we'll know the numbers once the CTX gets on the Dyno in the U.S. I believe Rider will be reviewing the CTX in depth in an upcoming issue. can't wait
 

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Hi Bob,
Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought I just read in the French review (translated--take it for what that's worth) that the CTX has 85 hp. I'm not sure if that's at the wheel or if that's even a real number but it sounds rather reduced to me so I'm suspicious. Seems like a lot of sacrifice to gain 8 Lb/ft torque but maybe that's the math for such a gain. I couldn't tell you what the difference of 8 Lb/ft torque would feel like--I have no comparison. The ST is 110 hp at the wheel give or take. I feel a pretty good pull when I get on it. Of course, we'll know the numbers once the CTX gets on the Dyno in the U.S. I believe Rider will be reviewing the CTX in depth in an upcoming issue. can't wait
Hello and welcome to the board.
The most common number I've read is 84hp and that is shaft output, not at the wheel (bhp). The main difference between the CTX1300 and the ST1300 is that, like torque, the CTX1300 gets the earlier in the rpm than the ST1300. Max 84hp at 6000rpm. Of course by that rpm the ST is higher hp than the CTX but not by much yet. I am guessing that the CTX1300 will be higher up than the ST below 5252 rpm, where they will likely be even. Won't know until it's run on a dyno, as you said. While that is a lot lower than the ST, the speed of the CTX1300 is higher at that rpm. The CTX is said to have a flat torque curve, I think even flatter than the ST and more grunt force at the lower rpms. The ST has more power for speed, but only at the higher rpms. And of course this is partly just my opinion based on the numbers we've been given. The one actual rider review that is posted here did state that the CTX1300 accelerates away from a Goldwing f6b.

Note: of course I may be just blowing smoke here too :)
 

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You have a good plan there my friend, the Yamaha Bolt is an excellent motorcycle to gain experience and you may find it to be one of your favorite bikes when you reflect on those bikes you owned. Very easy to ride, nimble, the bike has some character that is kind of old school, without being harsh.

The CTX is something that when you decide to pull the trigger on the bike, you will find it to be so much more of a "refined" machine. The V-4 is a remarkable engine in so many ways, it pulls hard and still has some top end that will make your eyeballs water!

Going with a "bagger" only makes sense after a while. Being able to lock your jacket and other personal items makes using the motorcycle more practical. Although the Bolt does well on the highway, to go touring on a three day weekend or otherwise, the CTX has the comfort and wind protection to make it a much more practical trip.
 
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